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Post by veggiesosage on Oct 26, 2006 18:01:22 GMT
I am, I've got to talk to my resolution or it won't get passed.
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Post by moriarty on Oct 26, 2006 19:12:42 GMT
I am going too.
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Post by veggiesosage on Oct 27, 2006 21:01:14 GMT
Ok guys, any body who goes look out for me. I'll be the on talking up the 'lets make the council minutes public on the website motion'.
Maybe see you tomorrow
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Post by applecrumble on Oct 27, 2006 21:35:18 GMT
Hi Veggiesosage, good for you.
I can't go, so I'd be glad to hear the result. Sounds like a big day for VS.
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Post by veggiesosage on Oct 28, 2006 21:51:47 GMT
Well, that was a little odd.
There were over 100 people there which I understand is about twice as many as last year. This in itself is good and I hope this is repeated next year.
All of the resolutions were passed, which, in the main, I think is a good thing. I think there are 5 new ways in which the Council both collectively and as individual members is more accountable.
I felt extremely uncomfortable about the final resolution and abstained from voting, however this was passed as well. I'm not convinced it was the right way to do things at all.
My opinion is that there are deep seated problems at the top of the Vegan Society. Hopefully this will improve but it needs more of us to get involved I suppose. There is clearly an 'old guard' (eg one council member argued against my resolution on the basis that we didn't 'need' to put the council minutes on the website, as we could write in and ask for them!) but I'm not sure the 'new' guard have all the answers either. A divided council will not be an effective council.
Oh yeah and I met Kevster and another mystery member too so that was cool.
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Post by kevster on Oct 29, 2006 0:36:06 GMT
Yep met for a few beers, at the local Sam Smiths, yer there are definitely issues about how conflicts are resolved at staff and Council levels, and these need to be taken seriously and addressed.
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Post by applecrumble on Oct 30, 2006 0:17:05 GMT
Well sounds a good result overall. I do get the impression there are some people there who really cling to their grievances. I sometimes wonder if that is because many vegans are strong minded and passionate people and sometimes have very high expectations.
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Post by moriarty on Oct 30, 2006 11:10:27 GMT
I'm sorry I couldn't make it after all - kids!!
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Post by applecrumble on Oct 30, 2006 11:11:42 GMT
Oh well maybe next time!
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Post by veggiesosage on Oct 30, 2006 18:06:44 GMT
I sometimes wonder if that is because many vegans are strong minded and passionate people and sometimes have very high expectations. I think that may be part of the issue AC. However, in my experience with people who get involved with 'causes' there is a small but significant minority that think that caring on its own is enough and forget that you have to be effective as well. I do get the feeling that there is an element of this in VS.
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Post by applecrumble on Oct 31, 2006 19:51:28 GMT
However, in my experience with people who get involved with 'causes' there is a small but significant minority that think that caring on its own is enough and forget that you have to be effective as well. I do get the feeling that there is an element of this in VS. Well now the VS should be focussed on being effective and presumably via minutes and mag we can follow the progress. Or lack of it. I just hope it gets bigger and better.
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Post by veggiesosage on Nov 3, 2006 19:58:29 GMT
There is absolutely nothing at all about the recent AGM on the Vegan Society website . That website is a f***ing disgrace and its a slap in the face to all those people who took the time to travel and take part in the AGM. If Activeg can do it why can't VS? Everyone email them and tell them how crap their website is and they might just listen.
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Post by applecrumble on Nov 3, 2006 23:08:02 GMT
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Post by veggiesosage on Nov 3, 2006 23:17:35 GMT
Thats it, there were a couple of pre AGM notices, the one you've linked to and a general one saying when it was and where. There wasn't one which announced the AGM in time for the deadline for submitting resolutions though, the only place that appeared was in the Vegan magazine, in the small ads.
Activeg I think (and stand to be corrected) is run by the local contacts coordinator and seems to be an unnofficial yet more informative site.
There also seems to be a semi oficial forum about VS on the Vegan Forum, which I'm not happy about due to the large number of people who get banned from that site and who consequently can't join in with that forum despite being members of VS.
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Post by applecrumble on Nov 4, 2006 20:49:37 GMT
There also seems to be a semi oficial forum about VS on the Vegan Forum, which I'm not happy about due to the large number of people who get banned from that site and who consequently can't join in with that forum despite being members of VS. Yes I don't see how it could be even semi-official as VS can't disclose who their members are, and the site is outside their control, and not all VS members can use it or will accept the conditions of use. Probably anyone who wants can start their own VS discussion group on a forum and others can join in. It only takes five minutes to set up a yahoo email group too. I doubt the VS will want to do it themselves again, the World Vegan Day site they had was very active but it got hacked or crashed and grew to need moderating which would be a drain on VS. Which is where my key point is: they need to have plans and priorities and tell us what they are and what they are achieving so we can decide if we are happy with what they are doing, and perhaps accept that what they are not doing is less important.
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Post by veggiesosage on Nov 5, 2006 0:15:53 GMT
I took it as being semi official as there was an implication by the site admin that there had been some dialogue with VS about what had been posted or something. And apparently you have to delare that you are a VS member in order to be admitted. But like you say AC anybody can start one up.
I suppose that if VS did decide to start a forum again they would get someone else to organise it. I'd be very worried if VF got the gig for reasons stated above.
I'm surprised that the VS forum collapsed, although they should have planned ahead that they would have needed mods. That couldn't have been so hard to organise surely, I mean there are quite a few vegan forums around and they have all managed to sort some sort of moderation, I'm sure VS could too.
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Post by applecrumble on Nov 5, 2006 8:47:14 GMT
Hi vegisosa the forum on worldveganday.org didn't collapse due to mods or lack of mods. As I recall first it was hacked and then it crashed, so a lot of posts were lost ,and then as it was out of action for a while a lot of people went elsewhere and so it was never very active again.
Some have alleged the VS neglected it to death, ie just wanted it to die quietly. As with so much recent VS history there seem to be different versions from different sources. There was not, that I know of, any announcement that the site was being finally shut down or any public call for mods to volunteer.
Originally it was unmoderated and no logins were needed to post, then the guest posting was stoped, then mods were introduced, all as a response to what was being posted. I think there were few mods, but I don't know, and if any of them want to tell us about the experience I'd be interested.
Nothing stopping VS members from coming on here to talk!
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Post by kevster on Nov 5, 2006 10:53:14 GMT
It's pretty similar to previous years, after the AGM there has never been any information about it put about, not even in the mag as i recall. It's not until you get the info sent out for next years AGM that you get to read about the one just past.
Yes, that's probably another thing that'd be good to have, a written piece about the AGM from Council, talking about the kind of things that happened. Because people who didn't get to go would find it hard to come across info about what happened, and after the letter being sent out they might be a little more curious than usual.
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Post by applecrumble on Nov 6, 2007 14:51:21 GMT
AAAAGH, got a long horrible letter before this year's agm too, anyone know more than what's in the letter?
seems a sad waste of VS time to me.
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Post by veggiesosage on Nov 6, 2007 15:26:53 GMT
I've actually let my membership lapse unfortunately. Whats it saying this time?
I see they still haven't complied with my special resolution from last year...
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