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Post by Tiggerwoos on Apr 18, 2006 12:58:29 GMT
I personally can't stand the things. They make the food taste yukky, kill the nutrients and reports have been leaked out of some sort of radiation coming from them. Look at this for example: www.rense.com/general70/microwaved.htmWhat are your opinions?
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Post by moriarty on May 27, 2006 13:27:01 GMT
Who needs one? Not me. They just mess around with the cellular structure of food and anyway pastry just goes pappy in them.
I had one many moons ago but have been without one years now and I dont miss it.
My mother uses hers for cooking endlessly.
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Post by woodnymph on Jun 12, 2006 22:09:54 GMT
I personally can't stand the things. They make the food taste yukky, kill the nutrients and reports have been leaked out of some sort of radiation coming from them. Look at this for example: www.rense.com/general70/microwaved.htmWhat are your opinions? couldnt agree more Tiggerwoos, i dont own one for the reasons you gave, did own one when i was young and naive and used it to make weight watchers ready meals and not much else - eeeew!!! that was many moons ago im happy to say ( had just left home and was only 17! )
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Post by squirrel on Jun 15, 2006 8:41:16 GMT
Don't like using them but it's the only way to get hot food at work
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Post by astrocat on Jun 18, 2006 14:11:08 GMT
I use mine exclusively for re-heating herbal tea once it's gone cold.
If you want to use a microwave to heat up food, i would advise that at least you avoid heating up anything which contains beans , or potatoes, as microwaving stuff mutates the protein cells, and as such is especially harmful when used on beans and potatoes.
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Post by muffin on Jun 20, 2006 12:06:37 GMT
I love the microwave for quickness BUT, I must admit, I love cooking food in the oven/on the stone - baked potatoes taste so much better from the oven for instance!
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Post by paul on Aug 6, 2006 0:35:24 GMT
i try not to use them, ido honest.
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Post by Juice on Aug 21, 2006 16:19:09 GMT
I haven't owned a microwave since mine broke over a year ago.
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Post by fr on Aug 21, 2006 16:44:20 GMT
I don't use one due to the way microwaving food alters its molecular makeup. I don't want to destroy my food. Also, the prions present in microwaved food have been shown to promote cancer cell growth.
I bring refrigerated or dry food that does not require heating to work for lunch (or I eat out).
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Post by Limey on Aug 21, 2006 16:59:40 GMT
This is making me feel bad for using mine. Crud, it has been hard enough all these changes I've made, I don't know that I can throw that one into the mix right now. Maybe at some point. Hmm, that sounds lame, I know. I'm thinking of all the microwaving I do right now.....
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Post by sweetnessandlight on Aug 21, 2006 17:06:31 GMT
as it don't involve harming animals I am quite happy using the microwave for stuff ;D but only really use it for defrosting sausages and stuff before frying them cos it is much quicker... I heard it was good for cooking rice and veg, but somehow I can never really get into microwvae cooking. Must try harder really - it's much quicker and less polluting
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Post by enchantress on Aug 21, 2006 17:09:45 GMT
I use the microwave occasionally, for heating up food and soya milk.
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Post by veggiesosage on Aug 21, 2006 21:15:57 GMT
I use the microwave for occasionaly reheating stuff or more regularly defrosting things. Its not proper cooking though.
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Post by maisiepaisie on Aug 22, 2006 7:59:03 GMT
I don't trust them. As FR said, they have been linked to cancer so I'd never have one.
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Post by veggiesosage on Aug 22, 2006 11:34:23 GMT
Hmmm, burnt toast has been linked to cancer...
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Post by lavender on Aug 22, 2006 11:41:16 GMT
I use mine very rarely - I didnt know it altered the cellular structure I thought it just jiggled them around till they got hot!
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Post by veggiesosage on Aug 22, 2006 12:36:40 GMT
Cooking something alters its cellular structure, assuming its something thats actually cellular to start with ie a fresh vegetable.
The process of cooking heats the cells up causing the cellular liquid to expand. If it expands enough the cell will burst. Lots of cells in the vegetable doing this will make it soft and we call it 'cooked'.
This can be done conventionally by direct application of heat or by microwaves 'jiggling them about', which cause the food to heat up.
Doing this makes it easier to digest than eating it raw as part of the digestion process is physically breaking the food down.
The other thing that cooking does is change things at the molecular level eg the carbohydrate in foods has the H2O burnt off leaving just carbon, the black on toast for example. This tends to happen near the edges where the heat is closest. As there's no direct heat in microwaving you tend not to get any 'burning'. There are a number of other chemical reactions that happen in cooking, depending what you're cooking.
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Post by lavender on Aug 22, 2006 14:16:01 GMT
so does that mean that microwaving food doesnt make that much difference to other forms of cooking then Monsieursosage? remember I am a numpty, so need these things explaining ;D
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Post by fr on Aug 22, 2006 15:56:27 GMT
Well, hope no one has a severe case of ADD:
Microwave cooking is one of the most important causes of ill health. It is certainly one of the most ignored.
There was a lawsuit in 1991 in Oklahoma. A woman named Norma Levitt had hip surgery, but was killed by a simple blood transfusion when a nurse "warmed the blood for the transfusion in a microwave oven!"
Logic suggests that if heating is all there is to microwave cooking, then it doesn't matter how something is heated. Blood for transfusions is routinely warmed, but not in microwave ovens. Does it not therefore follow that microwaving cooking does something quite different?
A little evidence of the harm caused by microwaving cooking was given by the University of Minnesota in a radio announcement:
"Microwaves ... are not recommended for heating a baby's bottle. The bottle may seem cool to the touch, but the liquid inside may become extremely hot and could burn the baby's mouth and throat... Heating the bottle in a microwave can cause slight changes in the milk. In infant formulas, there may be a loss of some vitamins. In expressed breast milk, some protective properties may be destroyed.... Warming a bottle by holding it under tap water or by setting it in a bowl of warm water, then testing it on your wrist before feeding, may take a few minutes longer, but it is much safer".
There have been very few scientific studies done on the effect of eating food microwaved food. This is rather surprising when you think about the fact that microwaves have been with us for only a few decades - and that in that time the incidence of many diseases has continued to increase.
Two researchers, Blanc and Hertel, confirmed that microwave cooking significantly changes food nutrients. Hertel previously worked as a food scientist for several years with one of the major Swiss food companies. He was fired from his job for questioning procedures in processing food because they denatured it. He got together with Blanc of the Swiss Federal Institute of Biochemistry and the University Institute for Biochemistry.
They studied the effect that microwaved food had on eight individuals, by taking blood samples immediately after eating. They found that after eating microwaved food, haemoglobin levels decreased. "These results show anaemic tendencies. The situation became even more pronounced during the second month of the study".
Who knows what results they would have found if they had studied people who ate microwaved food for a year or more?
The violent change that microwaving causes to the food molecules forms new life forms called radiolytic compounds. These are mutations that are unknown in the natural world. Ordinary cooking also causes the formation of some radiolytic compounds (which is no doubt one reason why it is better to eat plenty of raw food), but microwaving cooking causes a much greater number. This then causes deterioration in your blood and immune system.
In addition, they found that the number of leucocytes increases after eating microwaved food - something which haematologists take very seriously, because this is often a sign of highly harmful effects, such as poisoning.
Also, after eating microwaved food, cholesterol levels increased. Hertel said "Common scientific belief states that cholesterol values usually alter slowly over longer periods of time. In this study, the markers increased rapidly after the consumption of the microwaved vegetables." He believes his study tends to confirm new scientific data that suggest cholesterol may rapidly increase in the blood secondary to acute stress. "Also," he added, "blood cholesterol levels are less influenced by cholesterol content of food than by stress factors. Such stress-causing factors can apparently consist of foods which contain virtually no cholesterol - the microwaved vegetables."
The results were published in "Search for Health" in the Spring of 1992. How was this research greeted? A powerful trade organisation, the Swiss Association of Dealers for Electroapparatuses for Households and Industry somehow made the President of the Court of Seftigen issue a `gag order'. Hertel and Blanc were told that if they published their findings they would face hefty fines or up to one year in prison. In response to this, Blanc recanted his findings. Hertel, on the other hand, went on a lecture tour and demanded a jury trial.
FINALLY, in 1998 the Court `Gag Order' was removed. In a judgment delivered at Strasbourg on 25 August 1998 in the case of Hertel v. Switzerland, the European Court of Human Rights held that there had been a violation of Hertel's rights in the 1993 decision. The Court decided that the `gag order' prohibiting him form declaring that microwaved food is dangerous to health was contrary to the right to freedom of expression. In addition, Switzerland was sentenced to pay compensation of F40,000.
In Summary: Blanc and Hertel found that eating microwaved food:
* Increases cholesterol * Increases white blood cell numbers * Decreases red blood cell numbers * Causes production of radiolytic compounds (compounds unknown in nature)
RUSSIANS BAN MICROWAVE OVENS
After the World War II, the Russians also experimented with microwave ovens. From 1957 up to recently, their research has been carried out mainly at the Institute of Radio Technology at Klinsk, Byelorussia. According to US researcher William Kopp, who gathered much of the results of Russian and German research - and was apparently prosecuted for doing so (J. Nat. Sci, 1998; 1:42-3) - the following effects were observed by Russian forensic teams:
1. Heating prepared meats in a microwave sufficiently for human consumption created: * d-Nitrosodiethanolamine (a well-known cancer-causing agent) * Destabilization of active protein biomolecular compounds * Creation of a binding effect to radioactivity in the atmosphere * Creation of cancer-causing agents within protein-hydrosylate compounds in milk and cereal grains; 2. Microwave emissions also caused alteration in the catabolic (breakdown) behavior of glucoside - and galactoside - elements within frozen fruits when thawed in this way; 3. Microwaves altered catabolic behavior of plant-alkaloids when raw, cooked or frozen vegetables were exposed for even very short periods; 4. Cancer-causing free radicals were formed within certain trace-mineral molecular formations in plant substances, especially in raw root vegetables; 5. Ingestion of micro-waved foods caused a higher percentage of cancerous cells in blood; 6. Due to chemical alterations within food substances, malfunctions occurred in the lymphatic system, causing degeneration of the immune system=s capacity to protect itself against cancerous growth; 7. The unstable catabolism of micro-waved foods altered their elemental food substances, leading to disorders in the digestive system; 8. Those ingesting micro-waved foods showed a statistically higher incidence of stomach and intestinal cancers, plus a general degeneration of peripheral cellular tissues with a gradual breakdown of digestive and excretory system function; 9. Microwave exposure caused significant decreases in the nutritional value of all foods studied, particularly: * A decrease in the bioavailability of B-complex vitamins, vitamin C, vitamin E, essential minerals and lipotrophics * Destruction of the nutritional value of nucleoproteins in meats * Lowering of the metabolic activity of alkaloids, glucosides, galactosides and nitrilosides (all basic plant substances in fruits and vegetables) * Marked acceleration of structural disintegration in all foods.
As a result microwave ovens were banned in Russia in 1976; the ban was lifted after Perestroika.
Standing in front of a microwave is also highly damaging to your health. Perhaps you have already felt this intuitively? We know that cells explode in the microwave - just fry an egg in your microwave. We are made up of trillions of cells. So work out how many are getting damaged if you stand in front of your microwave for 5-10 minutes.
In the past I had been told that it was important for people to stop eating microwaved food, but I did not pay too much attention to this because I had been microwave cooking for years. I never thought much about it but I suppose that I figured that if something was so bad for us, then there wouldn't be so many people using it. Little did I know.
When I first began seeing clients for sessions of kinesiology, I did not worry too much about telling them to give up eating microwaved food. However, I kept a record of all of the corrections that were needed for each client when they came in. Now, once a correction is made, it is to be hoped that the correction will stay in place for a long time to come, hopefully months if not years. People often ask me "How long will it last?" May answer to them is "That depends on your lifestyle".
Most of my clients came back to see me after about two weeks. In the early days I found that many who came back were not much better. I found that they were again `out of balance'. That is, their electrical circuits were not working correctly (which is common for many people). It was therefore not surprising that they were not much better, because the body does not begin to fully fix itself until the electrical circuits are in balance.
The question was, why did their electrical circuits go out of balance? The answer had to be something that was highly stressful, to effect the body in such a short space of time. Once that answer was remedied, the client would begin to get better. Using muscle testing, I went through the process of testing if the cause was electrical, chemical/nutritional, emotional or structural. Again and again the same answer would come up - electrical. When I then went through a range of possible electrical causes, the same answer again came up again and again - the person had eaten microwaved food! Incidentally, this answer never came up when a person had NOT eaten microwaved food.
I began to tell all of my clients on the first visit that under NO circumstances were they ever to do microwaved cooking again. I gave this a higher priority than any of things that are normally considered as health risks, such as cigarettes or alcohol. Immediately I began to get a marked improvement in the results I was getting. Long term problems such as headaches, back aches and emotional instability went away within a few weeks.
Other kinesiologists can confirm these results. David Bridgman, who has years of experience as a kinesiologist, said "Of all the people I test for allergies, 99.9% so far show severe sensitivity to any microwaved food".
I experienced the effect of eating microwaved food for myself one time. I had been doing quite a lot of kinesiology and feeling on top of the world when for no apparent reason I began to feel rather `grey' and rather low. I realised that I needed a balance from a kinesiologist. Sure enough, I was out of balance. When the kinesiologist used muscle testing to see why my body had gone out of balance, the answer came up ... microwaved food! The trouble was, I couldn't remember eating any. Until I remembered a particular vegetarian restaurant I had been to. When I went back to the restaurant and asked them if they microwaved their food, they told me that they did.
So be warned! Many restaurants use microwaved cooking, even `health' restaurants. Ask if the "steamed vegetables" are in fact steamed - or are they microwaved? I have sent meals back when they have not been what they were described on the menu, much to the surprise of the restaurant owners.
MICROWAVED PLASTIC WRAP HAS 10,000,000 TIMES FDA LIMITS OF CARCINOGENS!
Sent to me by a reader: Hello Folks. Hopefully all of you are already well enough informed so as to avoid the use of a microwave oven due to the many detrimental effects consuming microwaved food has upon our health, but "just in case", here is some interesting info sent to me by Ron Scanlon -- many thanks, Ron! Cheers, Doug
University of California, Davis Medical Center 2315 Stockton Boulevard, Sacramento, California 95817
As a seventh grade student, Claire Nelson learned that di(ethylhexyl)adepate (DEHA), considered a carcinogen, is found in plastic wrap. She also learned that the FDA had never studied the effect of microwave cooking on plastic-wrapped food. Three years later, with encouragement from her high school science teacher, Claire set out to test what the FDA had not.
Although she had an idea for studying the effect of microwave radiation on plastic wrapped food, she did not have the equipment. Eventually, Dr. Jon Wilkes at the National Center for Toxicological Research agreed to help her. The research center, which is affiliated with the FDA, let her use its facilities to perform her experiments, which involved microwaving plastic wrap in virgin olive oil.
Claire tested four different plastic wraps and "found not just the carcinogens but also xenoestrogen was migrating [into the oil]...." Xenoestrogens are linked to low sperm counts in men and to breast cancer in women. Throughout her junior and senior years, Claire made a couple of trips each week to the research center, which was 25 miles from her home, to work on her experiment. An article in Options reported "her analysis found that DEHA was migrating into the oil at between 200 parts and 500 parts per million. The FDA standard is 0.05 parts per billion."
Her summarized results have been published in science journals. Claire Nelson received the American Chemical Society's top science prize for students during her junior year and fourth place at the International Science and Engineering Fair (Fort Worth,Texas) as a senior. "Carcinogens --At 10,000,000 Times FDA Limits" Options, May 2000. Published by People Against Cancer, 515-972-4444
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Post by blueshark on Aug 22, 2006 17:54:32 GMT
I think Microwaves are pretty good now, the prices have come down.
I like the oven/grill/microwave combos.
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