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Post by Tiggerwoos on Feb 28, 2006 15:16:56 GMT
The Animal Liberation Front exists to put an end to vivesection and factory farming. Drugs and cosmetics are tested by the vivesectionists, so after watching this video, I urge anyone to be very careful what they buy. If anything has made me definitely want to go out on the Stop The Oxford Lab marches, its this video. It may take a while to download, and is a bit graphic. video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8676149089490475412&q=alf
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Post by oldsilverhead on Feb 28, 2006 17:39:44 GMT
I am delighted to see this thread here and applaud you for posting it because on another vegan forum discussing the ALF is forbidden.
I am totally against any action that will cause physical harm to any living being including humans but apart from that,I wholeheartedly applaud the ALF'S policy of direct action(rescuing animals from labs,farms etc).
Ruthie
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Post by Tiggerwoos on Feb 28, 2006 23:53:27 GMT
I agree with you. The end part made it all worthwhile seeing those beagles having such a fuss made over them by their rescuers. It sickens me that vivisectionists actually choose to use beagles because of their sweet nature and their unwilliness to bite back. In other words they think they can treat these poor creatures like that, but don't want to get nipped themselves. These people make me so
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Post by Tiggerwoos on Apr 19, 2006 16:03:50 GMT
Well love 'em or hate 'em,( I personally think they do alot of good work) I thought I would post this article I just found about some animals that were liberated this week.
"WORLD DAY FOR LAB ANIMALS GET AN EARLY START - 126 ANIMALS LIBERATED
Activists from Djurens Befrielsefront (DBF) in Sweden decided to get an early start for the world day for lab animals.
On the night to april 17, activists gained access to the animal lab at Stockholm University, Stockholm, Sweden, by drilling through the walls.
126 animals were removed and rescued from the animal experiments going on in the university - 99 mice, 14 hamsters and 13 rats, and all animals will be rehomed in new, loving homes where they will never again have to suffer under the human hands. Slogans were also sprayed and red paint splashed everywhere.
Many people believe that raids such as this are impossible today. Nothing is impossible as long as there are animals being abused behind closed doors. All that is needed is a bit of imagination and the people prepared to open those closed doors. Find the ways and just do it. The animals cant wait any longer.
Our solidarity goes out to animal rights prisoners all over the world, and especially the people recently found guilty for their part in the campaign in closing down Newchurch guinea pig farm. Your dedication gave us hope, lets hope this does the same for you. Stay strong.
Lets hope the world week for lab animals continues in this spirit all over the world. The doors of the labs will be open as long as there are people prepared to open them.
Djurens Befrielsefront (DBF) The Animal Liberation Front, Sweden"
That's good news for those 126 rodents.....Yay!
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Post by fezzarooooo on Apr 19, 2006 18:30:16 GMT
Do the ALF consider what the animals are exposed to before liberating them? What I mean is if the animals were being experimented on using viruses/diseases would the ALF know this?
I'd welcome an answer from anyone who may know.
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Post by chenli on Apr 19, 2006 22:40:37 GMT
I personally do not know the answer to your question, feral, but I can only assume that the main goal is to reduce the amount of suffering & stress the particular animal is under by liberating him/her from their tormentors. Then if the animal has been exposed to a disease that is zoonotic or otherwise, I'm sure the ALF will attempt to cure the disease (if they can) or they may euthanise the animal if there is no hope of him/her recovering.
Probably, most of the time, the ALF wouldn't know if the animals have been exposed unless tests are run (blood test, stool samples, urine samples, etc...).
As I say, though, this is only an assumption. It's probably best to ask on the actual ALF forum.
As for the ALF itself, I whole-heartedly support their cause in liberating animals. And personally, if they happen to harm members of the vivisection staff, or in fact, any animal abusers/testers, then I totally agree with that harming. Because anybody who abuses or mistreats an animal, in my eye, should be subjected to similar pain and suffering that they put the animal through. Taste of their own medicine, sort of thing.
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Post by Gliondrach on Apr 19, 2006 22:53:11 GMT
I think that once they break in and find animals that are suffering, or are about to be made to suffer, they have to do something. They can't just leave them. If they do have diseases, there's no way of knowing.
If any harm comes to anyone from any infected animal, it is the fault of the cruel people who infected and tortured them.
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Post by chenli on Apr 19, 2006 23:39:37 GMT
After finishing watching that video I must say a HEAR HEAR to the ending sentance:
"Real Terrorists Kill, The ALF Save Lives"
@glion, I very much doubt any ALF member would leave any animal behind no matter what condition the animal was in.
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Post by Tiggerwoos on Apr 23, 2006 8:53:09 GMT
Yay! Have just seen someone running in the Marathon with the ALF slogan banner saying "If not now, when?"
Is nice to see that there's people out there supporting good animal causes.
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Post by tabitha on Apr 23, 2006 9:48:20 GMT
Tiggerwoos! Lets get fit and run it together next year. Im going to get my form as soon as possible. Lets do it Tigs!!!
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Post by Tiggerwoos on Apr 23, 2006 10:00:45 GMT
It's a deal! Am definitely up for that one!
Just started running on Friday and will be going for another run tonight (as am on lates this afternoon) or tomorrow morning, so is gonna be fun having a marathon buddy!
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Post by tabitha on Apr 23, 2006 10:20:14 GMT
We could start off with some 10k races. Theres one in Southend in October if you are interested.
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Post by Tiggerwoos on Apr 23, 2006 10:42:50 GMT
Sounds good to me....... Will get me used to it gradually! LOL!
Now that's 1,2.....ooh 6 months to get fat........ oops I mean fit!
Think I can manage that one!
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Post by tabitha on Apr 23, 2006 13:23:14 GMT
I dont really know much about the ALF. Im going to do some reading about them in a minute. I suppose I have unfortunately been put off by things I have read. However, on our other forum, there was the most awful link about a kitten (Tiggerwoos will know the one I mean) which really upset me and I thought sometimes maybe you do have to be a bit unorthodox to deal with some of the sick people we have in this world. Obviously the softly softly approach isnt working too well. Does anyone else know much about ALF. Is it an organisation you would support? At the moment I support Animal Aid and am a member of the Vegan Society and thats about it. Interested to know what you all think.
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Post by veggiesosage on May 7, 2006 22:55:22 GMT
I don't know if you've seen this website? www.arkangelweb.org/I THINK, although am not sure, that they act as kind of unofficial PR for ALF and others. However, the site has been cleaned up a bit recently, possibly due to the glorifying terrorism laws. Whether ALF or not, its a source of many stories that you won't see in the popular press so is useful from that point of view.
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Post by Tiggerwoos on May 7, 2006 23:31:38 GMT
Very useful and informative site. Thanks Sosage.
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Post by chenli on May 8, 2006 12:34:30 GMT
Good site, veggie, danke.
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Post by fezzarooooo on May 8, 2006 15:49:24 GMT
If any harm comes to anyone from any infected animal, it is the fault of the cruel people who infected and tortured them. With respect I would have to disagree, if a highly contagious disease was spread through the animal or human population due to animals being released without proper caution being taken, the responsibility would lay with the people who released the diseased animal. Good intentions do not justify an act of recklessness.
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Post by Tiggerwoos on May 9, 2006 6:22:41 GMT
From what I have read up on the ALF, I don't think there is any worry on that part.
When they actually "liberate" the animals...... as I was concerned about loads of rabbits running round that weren't wild having no idea how to fend for themselves and dying out in the wild, they are actually all given strict veterinary care....... Many of which are in too much pain and suffering and sadly have to be euthanaised and the rest are placed in loving homes when they are given the "all clear".
Found that out as had thought to myself orignally what is the point of liberating them if they will die in the wild, but it turns out they aren't and its just a strange term they use, literally meaning to free them.
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Post by fezzarooooo on May 9, 2006 9:48:53 GMT
I did think they took the poor animals to a vet etc but the fear is if there was a highly contagious disease which could cross over and be carried by humans it could be the catalyst for an epidemic. I'm not saying the animals shouldn't be liberated I'm just saying I really hope the ALF are taking responsible cautions when doing so. If such a tragedy was to happen it would bring the Animal Rights Movement to it's knees.
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