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Post by Tiggerwoos on Mar 8, 2006 1:16:19 GMT
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Post by bobbywomble on Mar 8, 2006 18:26:09 GMT
i use organic everything i think it tastes different but i do think that certian stuff cant be made as well organically eg soap powder /bleach i findit clogs up the washing machine but the food is much better i do think they are having a laugh with there prices though how can it possibly cost more for food with nowt added surely the cost of preservatives and pesticides must be reflected in the price of the product that like saying a ton of gold costs less that an ounce because we dug it up rather than using explosives? ? the mind boggles
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Post by tabitha on Mar 8, 2006 21:29:40 GMT
I try and use organic if I can find any. I juice a lot of veg and I prefer using organic for that. Unfortunately as I am not at home for any great length of time at the moment I tend to just grab things from the supermarket. I really would like to just buy local organic produce. I dont think it always tastes any different, although tomatoes definitely do, but my tastebuds are a bit knackered from having this growth thingy on my tongue!
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Post by Tiggerwoos on Mar 9, 2006 3:07:28 GMT
Whats wrong with your tongue Tab if I'm not being nosey?
I try and use organic where possible. The shopping bill comes to around £100 per week for 2 people, plus the animals, but its worth it for the health reasons and I think it tastes better.
I like juicing, although am going through a phase of breaking juicers at the moment....... Can't help it if it says dishwasher friendly and it melts the parts into a different shape..... Ooops!
My main organic produce is about 80% of fruits and veg and 90% everything else.
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Post by tabitha on Mar 9, 2006 7:45:52 GMT
Tigs I have something on my tongue called a Venus malformation. Half my tongue is very swollen and purply back. It is similar to birth marks that people get on their faces. It goes down my throat and there is a swelling in my neck. I have had three procedures on my neck and one on my tongue which was horrendous. All the skin peeled off my tongue and I couldnt swallow for ages. It then got infected and I ended up in casualty on morphine. Now a part of my tongue is numb. It hasnt affected my speech and people say that they cant notice it, but I hate it. Sorry organic thread, that was a hypochondriac interlude lol.
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Post by Tiggerwoos on Mar 9, 2006 20:20:50 GMT
Ouch Tabi, you poor thing, bet thats pretty frustrating. I know what you mean though with you saying other people can't notice it, but to you its permanantly with you. Bet you don't want them to do anything else to it after the last procedure!
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Post by bobbywomble on Mar 9, 2006 23:46:51 GMT
bloody hell tabs that sounds awful is it a permanant thing or can it be cured ? i can only imagine how that feels unfortunatly im no medical guru but one thing i do know is if tigger tells you to use the usual cure all (bentonite clay) ::)dont do it ...it tastes foul lol ... ;D
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Post by Tiggerwoos on Mar 10, 2006 3:31:26 GMT
He he bobbywomble....... but it works though lol. Here I am sitting at work with a big old bandage on my finger....... underneath is a bentonite clay poultice... why because I was unlucky enough to cut myself on something the other day and not sure whether I got a splinter in it but it hurts and went a bit pusy..... so out comes the clay...... again!
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Post by Wabbit on Mar 10, 2006 10:08:29 GMT
Hi Tigs, Tabs & Bobby,
You 3 make this forum alive LOL… comments & answers…
As i mentioned in another thread, I do buy organic produtcs. I think most do taste differently, as Boody pointed out, the abscence of pesticides & other “nasties” make the food taste “clearer”. However, human tastebuds won’t always notice the difference, especially if the person had been an omni. Some foods, like tomatoes, and for me, oranges & other citrus, do have a huge difference. I simply can’t digest regular oranges but I can tolerate organic ones in moderate quantities.
I don’t agree with the prices, no. Again, as Bobby mentions, there are no pesticided, which should make organic food cheaper. But, at present, organic fields are rare, in comparisson to regular ones. They don’t produce as much, since the quality is sought & not the mass production that resulted from many factors, mainly the industrial age combined with longer human lifespan & the demographic explosions...
Another reason why the prices are higher is the demand. If we all went veg & organic, more fields & ressources would be used to make it cost effective... I think it can happen in time but has to be faught for.
I can see a major reason to turn to organic, aside for the chemicals & pesticides... the geneticially modified organisms... who know what we’ll eat with those ? a banana shark ? a kangaroo apple ?... I could use other more graphic worries about it but I won’t. You may already know it... it’s just for aspiring & wondering visitors to give them the ideas...
My opinion about pesticided, chemicals & the like... evil in so many ways...
I use organic natural animal test free soap & shampoo as well as toothpaste. They’re great & don’t feel as gross as the others... I am now in peace with myself as I never liked the regular super cheap to buy but so super expensive on my moral ethics chemical-animal ingredients & tested...
As for dishwashing & cloth soaps, I don’t have the luxary to buy it often, sadly enough. Once my wife & I move & have real jobs, we’ll do it more frequently. Bobby, I think they’re not as good yet coz still new products... give them some time & the healthy people will improve them, am sure...
Juices are great yes... My wife keeps reminding me to eat my fruits so I don’t “get the scarvies” LOL she cracks me up saying it with an italian accent...
Tab, I think I may have something to help with you Venus malformation aka the growth on your tongue... Will do the research in my books coz I think I’v seen something about it once... I bet you don’t want to get more procedures indeed LOL... oh my ! sounds like a medical mistake there...( oh well, like so many in the hallo-notsosym-pathic medicine... no I didn’t confuse words LOL it’s a pun)
LOL Tigs, braking juicers... well I’ll explain something to you in your PM you’ll laugh... goes with the same topic I mentioned to your yesterday in the chatroom. And a piece of advice, even if it says dishwasher friendly, don’t do it... these things are fragile LOL oh so fragile !
Wow I wrote quite a bit ! Well, I’ll do some research about this bento-thinggy, Lol it’s the second time I see it mentioned in the forum... is it magical or what ?? LOL
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Post by Wabbit on Mar 10, 2006 10:54:24 GMT
Hi again...i was talking about that condition caused by deficiency of ascorbic acid = the scurvy... LOL there it goes again... italin accent
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Post by bobbywomble on Mar 10, 2006 12:20:53 GMT
Hi Tigs, Tabs & Bobby,
You 3 make this forum alive LOL… comments & answers… LOL arghh you make me imbarressed :-
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Post by Wabbit on Mar 10, 2006 12:24:53 GMT
Lol Bobby it wasn't meant as a negative thing but positive, as in, you 3 write a lot & make this forum stay alive, ti's GOOD hehe
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Post by bobbywomble on Mar 10, 2006 12:50:23 GMT
i know but you made my blush LOL
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Post by Wabbit on Mar 10, 2006 14:29:18 GMT
ah LOL I see.. well I didn't mean to make anyone feel bad LOL
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Post by Fauxmage on Mar 11, 2006 23:36:38 GMT
Up until about 100 years ago or so all you could get WAS organic, so for me it isn't a matter of whether it tastes better, or is more nutritious, or non-toxic (it is!), its what we should be eating and using becasue it used to be what we ate and used before all these damn chemicals were invented that poison the world and us along with it.
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Post by Wabbit on Mar 11, 2006 23:41:43 GMT
I totally agree fauxmage, the demographic explosion & the industrial age didn't help us in regards to many ailments, oncluding poisened foods... the words forgot what simple meant & now things are so complicated... the organic rebirth is a good sign tho as it shows now all people are totally asleep out there... same for veg awarness, which wasn't all that present a 100 years ago, so let's not spit in the soup LOL
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Post by Fauxmage on Mar 12, 2006 5:17:48 GMT
so let's not spit in the soup LOL Hehe! I've never heard this one before! ;D
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Post by astrocat on Mar 13, 2006 4:02:52 GMT
It annoys me that there is such a low interest in eating real food where I live. Everyone seems hell-bent on destroying themselves with crap like snack-cake bars, sugary chocolate breakfast-bites, slabs of dead animal, reconstituted corn snacks and suchlike.... and hardly anyone buys much real food, least of all organic real food. The direct result of this is that there is a pretty pathetic selection of real food available, and the organic selection is udnerstandably rather limited indeed. I do get a local organic delivery box but sadly all he can provide right now is potatoes and a few turnips from time to time. Not that I'm knocking the turnips and potatoes like they're great ! but he has a bad growing season last year which is why he has such limited food provision just now, which is a shame. I buy organic food where it is available, so i get carrots, apples, bananas and....ummmmmmm........ ..... ..... once in a blue moon there are organic mushrooms..... and a few times I've seen little organic cherry tomatoes..... once i saw some organic kiwi fruits, and soem organic pears...... there's not a huge amount to buy though likesay, so..... yeah..... but I get it when I can. I have a compromised immune system condition which means that my ability to clear poison out of my body is considerably less good than that of healthier people. As such when i eat poison it goes straight into me and i can feel it. I certainly can;t eat non-organic bananas any more. The last one of those i had made me sick to my guts and i felt like i had a nasty allergic reaction to something for days, with stomach cramping ,diarrhoea, vomiting, a fever, the shakes, all kinds of lovely things..... which i had a fair bit before that but hadnt until then connected directly to eating toxic food, because that was a particularly obvious cause/effect situation and drove reality home in no uncertain terms. I believe that the obscenely large subsidisation of the government to make the cost of flesh and animal-products cheaper for animal-captors to produce, and for consumers to buy, should be completely abolished. The £££££millions saved in doing this could then be spent to dramatically reduce the cost of organic food to the end-consumer. I believe that a society with a modicum of sense and self-preservation would agree with me. I find it tragic and depressing that the one which I live in so obviously does not agree. I find it obscene that even in developed societies people are being forced into a situation where the only food available is toxic due to vegetables, and especially fruit, being deliberately grown in a way which fills and covers them with chemicals. It's all very well simply soaking stuff like veg, but how effective is it really I wonder, and with stuff like mushrooms and fruit which soak up the poisonous water during growth understandably surface washing does nothing to remove that poison. I feel bitter about the present situation of toxic food in this society, because likesay I feel ill anyway because of my condition and having to eat toxic food makes me feel so much worse than would otherwise be necessary. It amazes me that more people don;t notice the effct of it.... but I suspect that many people do but either attribute it to something else or imagine that because so many people in this sociaty are worn-out, stodgy creatures, that this is perfectly normal and nothing to raise an eyebrow about (even my GP tried to claim this at one stage I was like sure. That sounds so healthy. Right. Uhuh.) Humans poison the land they live on, the water they drink, the air they breathe and now they even poison the food they eat. It is a pathetic state of affairs to be in, I think. I think it is especially shady that it is perfectly legal for companies to have fruit grown in countries where standards of production are sketchy (thus where DDT and suchlike are still legal to use) then import them into countries such as the UK, where the use of DDT during food growth is illegal. And that is my £0.02 for now.
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Post by Tiggerwoos on Mar 14, 2006 16:53:07 GMT
Couldn't agree more Astrocat, and what makes me laugh is the fact that companies have the cheek to charge extra for not putting pesticides on........ charging more for in theory having less doesn't make sense if you know what I mean. The majority of people sadly don't have the money to spend on organic produce and its only as I'm on a decent salary that I can afford to, but I still stuggle.
I often wonder exactly whether organic stuff really is as I have seen programmes and read articles that some companies claim their food is organic, yet they still use pesticides, yet apparantly they're still allowed to use certain ones. Surely that is detrimental to our health and the planet also. I believe in the UK that Organic Standard 5 or the Soil Association sticker is supposed to mean entirely organic, but I agree I don't like the taste of normal fruit and vegetables now after eating organic....... I find celery strangely seems to be the worst. The taste of non-organic celery is foul.
One day I hope to set up a greenhouse in the garden and grow the majority of my own fruit and veg, that way I can be confident I know exactly what is in my food.
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Post by astrocat on Mar 14, 2006 19:22:15 GMT
This is true, I've known plenty of people who actively destroy their ability to appreciate real food because they keep stuffing down flesh (or food) which is plastered or drowned with sauces or other potent flavourings, chemical-laden junk-food, flavourings-laden factory-farmed flesh and so forth..... it's pretty tragic. I've known people who have claimed that all vegetables taste the same, that all nuts and seeds taste the same, and so forth..... So yeah, it's very true. I totally agree that you can;t really expect people who actively try to encourage and preserve tastebud stagnancy and deadening of tastebud sensitivity to natural flavours to be able to tell the difference in flavour between organic and non-organic food. Indeed so. It's the same concept as "buying in bulk" being cheaper than not buying stuff in bulk - the larger a market there is for something, generally the lower the expenditure can be for the cmpany making the products since they can make larger quantities, and be more stable in their certainty that their stuff will be bought. I can see what you mean, although really I disagree - it is like if two companies make bread .... One of them is a company who makes bread without any additives. This bread decays quickly and so the production is a little risky because if nobody buys it within a day (or 2 days, or however long bread lasts normally without chemicals) then it must be disposed of. There is a lower demand for this bread as the price is slightly higher than chemical-laden bread because the company must sell it slightly more expensively in order to make a profit. The other company is your standard supermarket-bread producer. They sell the bread covered in plastic to keep it airtight before sale, and it is pumped to the max with all kinds of bizarre freakyass chemicals in order to give it a shelf-life of a month until it is opened, and in order to make it "keep fresh" after opening for up to a week, or whatever plebs go for in bread these days. This bread simply does not rot very quickly. It can be shifted like a plastic object, and the corporate wastage level is very low accordingly. It can be stored in a warehouse up until a week before it's rotting-date, and plenty of people (especially plebs) enjoy the way that it has the behavioural properties of plastic because they can buy one loaf and it will last all week without decaying. In the case of fruit and vegetables, if a company can douse everything in barrageloads of deadly chemicals in a dose not high enough to kill humans but high enough to kill bugs / other animals / whatever, then they do not have enormous quantities of food being 'spoiled' by being nibbled by bugs.... in the aesthetically obsessed supermarket-provision food-industry this is very important since so much food is totally edible but totally wasted just because it doesn;t 'look' pristine enough for the public image of the supermarket company with all of the purchasing power and control over the producers. In this way a few cheap chemicals are a great deal less expensive than the cost of wastage which big food producers might otherwise incur if they did not use those chemicals. I think that if the majority of people did not buy junk-food and expensive muck like flesh and bodily fluids, or f-ags and crap like that, or Teevee licences, lottery tickets, brand-name clothing etc, then considerably more people would suddenly find that they had much more money for buying organic food with. That is all about priorities, where those people are concerned. Of course there are plenty of people who are unable to afford organic food genuinely. Which i find very sad. Likesay this society totally screws over people like that with the bias on making the products of animal exploitation a lot cheaper through subsidisation, rather than more sensibly and constructively choosing to lower the cost of organic produce. It's a double whammy because not only is organic produce not subsidised, but taxation is also understandably higher in order to subsidise the flesh and body-fluid industries. (^?^) I don;t know about that, have you found any information online about this which i could check out ? This is perfectly logical, as celery has such a high percentage of water inside it. Personally, i can manage non-organic celery, although i generally only ever use it as a soup base so it's flavour is mixed in with others. Myself, i especially dislike non-organic tomatoes and lettuce. To me lettuce which is not organic tastes like battery fluid, even though organic lettuce is something which i enjoy enormously and miss very much as I can;t get any here. One of the places which i used to live at had a greenhouse I loved it, it was excellent. Even in this frozen northern climate some stuff would grow out there because it could get nice and cosy if the sun was shining. I'd grow wild strawberry plants & my cactuses out there, mainly. If/when i settle down somewhere in my own place which I'd own, i would certainly want to have a greenhouse, because I do miss having one and it's much harder to grow stuff without one. I would eccentrically go out and sleep in the greenhouse from time to time because it just felt so nice and healthy and green out there, all surrounded by plants and stuff. ;D
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