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Post by Wabbit on Jun 19, 2007 20:45:15 GMT
In the past couple week's, I've been reading an astrology book about harmonics & asteroids & thus have resumed their use in charts, but in a much broader way than ever, especially for the asteroids. They're not mere additional points to an "already busy astrology" like some say, but they are very descriptive & powerful ! I just looked at 2 very interesting asteroids, Assisi & Francis, in relation to Saint Francis of Assisi, the patron of vegetarians. My theory was that it may be relevant (amongst other things) to one's being a vegetarian or even a vegan & my theory seems to be quite good !
For instance, my wife's Assisi & Francis mid point (that position in which both asteroids are brought together) is 14° Gemini. It is very interesting to see the numerological association of Gemini being the third sign, to associate it with the third month of the year, thus March. My wife has turned vegan on a MARCH 14 !!!
Furthermore, in the chart of that March 14 2005 when she decided to go vegan, the asteroid Assisi is conjunct Jupiter in Libra in the 2nd house, both are opposed Mercury in Aries in the 8th house, thus brining into focus her philosophical choice to become vegan, after years of being vegetarian.
Another interesting point of this chart is the midpoint between Assisi & Francis being at 16° Leo in the 11th house & opposed Neptune in the 6th house, breaking with the societal lies in regards to animal suffering & having her own philosophy affirmed.
The Aries North node in the 8th house relates to this life changing decision ; ruled by Mars which is in Capricorn in the 5th house & opposed Saturn in Cancer in the 11th, breaking from traditions & family upbringing as an omni, and developing a passion for animal rights.
This decision is steadfast as Mars is in Capricorn & trine to a Taurus Moon in the 9th house, relating to her new philosophy, which incidentally have brought her to a different country (another 9th house association) where she married another vegan who shares her (com)passion. These planets & aspects also show that she had been thinking about it thoroughly for quite some time, in which she took progressive actions as the process evolved.
In transits, this decision occurred shortly after Uranus had been opposed to her natal Francis, thus showing the subsequent rapture with the « old ».
Even more powerful, the asteroid compassion was conjunct this Uranus, but right before an exact opposition to her natal Francis !
Another very interesting point is that when my wife decided to become vegan, the asteroid Assisi had just been conjunct to her natal asteroid « compassion » !
In both our charts, it appears clearly & repeatedly that being vegan is of vital importance & life changing. Also indicated the fact that we’d only marry a fellow veg* & not an omni, due to our passion for animals & remaining true to our philosophies.
Another example of asteroids in charts is given through Arachne. My wife was telling me that when she was younger, she used to attract spiders as a magnet, but she didn’t like it at all because she dreaded them. It is interesting to note Arachne in her chart opposed her Sun & Pluto in the 12 house, thus relating to both fear & magnetism.
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Post by maisiepaisie on Jun 19, 2007 22:56:01 GMT
Thats interesting wabbit. I have an astrology related question for you, something I've been pondering lately: Do you think people have a particular personality because of their astrological chart relating to the time of birth, or do you think they were meant to be born at that time because of their personality
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Post by Wabbit on Jun 20, 2007 9:02:30 GMT
Thats interesting wabbit. I have an astrology related question for you, something I've been pondering lately: Do you think people have a particular personality because of their astrological chart relating to the time of birth, or do you think they were meant to be born at that time because of their personality lol...answering this question is just as the long philosophical & religious debates regarding existence & to know if we, as humans, have a purpose on earth, or if everything is chaos & devoid of sense.
In my personal opinion, everything is linked & much more than anyone can ever imagine, even the most spiritual and/ or religious, high IQ person, astrologers & mediums included. One might object that this statement reduces our capacities to understand & truly grasp, and it is indeed the case.
We are here for a purpose, all linked one to another, but not just humans, also animals, minerals, plants... (ie spirit guides in traditions such as native american... ie, most astrologies have direct links not only to mythological figures of deities, but also to the aforementioned kingdoms as well... & there are many more references in other esoteric such as runes, tarot...)
I do believe that one of these purposes is to improve oneself & help others in their paths ; thus, we are imperfect beings who have to learn, spanning several or many life times (reincarnations).
Another detail which many don't even think about, is that every time we make changes in our lives, we are partially being reborn ! (my personal opinion here, I never read anything to this effect, but it is a conclusion I come to after so many years of practicing astrology). The question would be : does making drastic positive changes in ones life alter the reincarnation process in any way ? My guess would be yes it does... in the sense that we have learned a part of our lesson, thus fulfilling a piece of our purpose.
So, to answer your question regarding personality & birth, they are linked undeniably ! But, who comes first, the chicken or the egg ? the purpose or the birth ?
Personality is shaped after ones birth, so that would indicate a certain effect after the causality. However, there are theories regarding karma & reincarnation which stipulates that our souls chose the birth before, where to come back to achieve its purpose. My guess here would be that the choice is related to karma & the options given... not an anarchy, but then again, one would need to have specific recollections to ascertain or deny this statement... which humanity have been debating for millenia !
Then again, in spite of apparent limitations, we do have options & choices to make in every life. What isn't to grasp is the effect & range of our choices, and the effects to ourselves & others because of them...
We, as vegans, share a common learned lesson of compassion, thus, we don't eat our fellow animals. Some of us have chose this due to their philosophy, even without knowing it is one... others have chose for health concerns, or environmental (which may very well be a philosophy on its own), and other triggers may have participated.
The effects ? we don't participate in the sufferings caused to animals, but we also affect ourselves & around us ! by not eating animals, we are healthier (so we don't use as much the doctors & their biproducts... they get less money from us, we keep more of it for other goals) ; we tend to develop faster spiritually (no toxins & other pain related chemicals in our bodies) ; we might very well be more artistically inspired than omnis who's brains & art reflect not only those toxins, but also the suffering they cause & part of... we don't use as many of earth's resources, this helping our planet to remain a little more vital, thus giving a bit more chance to future generations to survive...
The ramifications of our choices as vegans are enormous & long lasting ! We do make a difference just by that ! Off course, one might say that all those omnis still destroy & are violent one to another (oh the wars & crimes have existed for so long !), buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuutttttttttttt ! we do make a difference & most of us have been omnis & have changed... sometimes on our own idea, sometimes we've been inspired by someone else... thus, we can inspire others to change as well & increase the ramifications even further !!!
In the same manner, other choices & actions we take in our life will have effects ; some may seem small, but small actions amount to bigger ones & those to even bigger & so the cycles go on !
Born, we affect this world... some of us will have or adopt children, change their lives who in turn will change others' lives... personalities are a part of all this, but we can also alter our persona, to some extent !
Is this a big enough reply for you ? ;D
What do you think ? have you been born with a purpose ? did you achieve a part of it ? are you going to take other actions & decisions thus changing further, increasing & achieving your potentials ? were you born to fit your chart or did your personality evolve with time, thus fitting your chart ? or does your chart reflect you so well that these notions of causality blur out ?
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Post by maisiepaisie on Jun 20, 2007 9:44:16 GMT
Thanks for your answer I do believe we're all born with a purpose - to learn and to grow spiritually and to help others along the way. I believe that when we meet people who have a significant impact in our lives, this has been pre-arranged by ourselves before we came to this life and also that certain events have been pre-arranged. This is the reason I'm no longer preoccupied with finding "Mr Right". If he's out there, he'll come along when the time is right. It is 'meant to be'. If I don't ever find a special person then that's my path. Maybe I have more to learn from being single in this life. I feel I've grown more spiritually in the past year or so than ever before in my life, mainly because of my best friend, Mimi who came into my life early last year and has taught me so much, now my whole outlook on life is different in many different ways. I do feel as if I've learned a lot of my lifes lessons but I still have quite a way to go. My next goal is to stop hating but when I think about animal abusers its hard but I'm working on it. My personality definately fits my chart but I'm not sure if I've always been like that or if I evolved.
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Post by Wabbit on Jun 20, 2007 11:15:41 GMT
Thanks for your answer I do believe we're all born with a purpose - to learn and to grow spiritually and to help others along the way. I believe that when we meet people who have a significant impact in our lives, this has been pre-arranged by ourselves before we came to this life and also that certain events have been pre-arranged. This is the reason I'm no longer preoccupied with finding "Mr Right". If he's out there, he'll come along when the time is right. It is 'meant to be'. If I don't ever find a special person then that's my path. Maybe I have more to learn from being single in this life. I feel I've grown more spiritually in the past year or so than ever before in my life, mainly because of my best friend, Mimi who came into my life early last year and has taught me so much, now my whole outlook on life is different in many different ways. I do feel as if I've learned a lot of my lifes lessons but I still have quite a way to go. My next goal is to stop hating but when I think about animal abusers its hard but I'm working on it. My personality definately fits my chart but I'm not sure if I've always been like that or if I evolved. YW Maisie Pre-arrangement involves a view of a programmed world ; as I mentioned, I think we do have parts we can change, thus making the programming evolve as we learn our lessons & life goals. So, through our actions, we modify the pre-arrangements to a different one… as in, when you turn on the highway, there are a certain number of possibilities, which will change each time you turn & take a different path… Thus, we are actively participating to our own destinies.
We do meet mr or ms “right” when we arrive to that point in time & space relating to our previous actions…the previous roads we took leading us to a variety of options, some of which we meet, some we do not, because we either recognise & cognitively refuse them, or that we don’t see them & thus “miss” that opportunity…until it presents itself again, after we turn to another road leading to it.
You, personally, may have a lot to learn from being single (it does make sense in your chart… and also, one has to be ready to be alone & love oneself truly, before meeting mr right… until that point, we may meet people, but they represent our current position, thus making the answer so much harder to give to “is this one mr right ?” because we never really know, until we know it so well that we don’t question it anymore. In your chart, the asteroid mimi is at 13° Virgo 55’59’’. Numerologically, 13 degrees is related to self assertion (1) & communication (3), deep changes (13), nurturing (1+3=4). Virgo is related, among other things, to health (sixth sign), cereals, precision, ANIMALS… All those 5’s relate to Leo’s qualities, so hobbies, passion (fire sign), children, arts, self expression… in the minutes section, the 5+5 becoming a 10 relates to power, and both Aquarian & Capricorn values, such as idealism, humanitarian, stead fastness… again, the 1 relates to self assertion & other Aries qualities, such as beginnings (one, first…), the head, primal, more passion through this fire sign… associated with the power of the void (0)
In the seconds section, 5 have been already said, and 9 is about completion, ends of cycles (thus relating to the new ones which start after), and both Capricorn & Sagittarian values, such as philosophy, travels (both in mind & body, what one may call spiritual & physical travels), sport, more passion (fire again) but this time relating to one’s philosophy & values, meaning compassion & passion for the animals… 5+9=14, relating to the tarot card of temperance, which I associate here again with passion for the animals (as in, compassion). Also, 14 is a very spiritual as it is twice 7, a Libran number. (14 I think is Aquarius energy, thus repeating previous values). 1+4 is 5 again…
Very interesting to note that in tour birth chart, this asteroid Mimi is exactly opposed Pallas, an asteroid directly linked with Athena. Through their myths, Pallas represents the integration of ones shadows (darker sides), since in mythology, Athena killed one Pallas (there are variants on the story) & then, feeling guilty, renamed Pallas Athena, as to atone for the killing.
Other associations with Pallas relate to wisdom, prudent warfare, arts & crafts, as well as the ability to perceive the entire picture, in contrast with Mercury’s ability to reason & communicate.
Pallas also represents assertiveness for the sake of a principle (= passion for one’s beliefs). Through this, I believe, that Mimi’s in your life, linked to Pallas, would represent all these qualities.
Your Pallas’ position is 13° Pisces 10’18’’. The 13 has been already detailed, Pisces emphasises on one’s beliefs (connected to her father Jupiter/ Zeus, who add another form of power, thunderbolt & so on)… Pisces also shows more art (water colours are indicated), water in general (living near it might be quite healthy & inspiring to you, if the rest of the chart doesn’t counter this assumption, which I’ll have to check at home), another link to animals, metamorphosis, universal love & other hippy-like ideas. 10 has been already discussed as well. 18 relates to the Moon, emotions, change, adulthood (wherever gvt’s chose that age for being an adult)… 1 has been already detailed too, all is left is this 8, related to Scorpio, changes, the after life, Egyptology (because of that last link), quests for the meaning of life & other hidden Truths (associated with the 8 & Scorpio, as well as 12 & Pisces), helped with either or all : art, astrology, tarot, runes (for those who are connected to them), esoterica in general, studying religion’s histories (not necessarily belonging to any, tho), inspiration…
Another interesting point is that, in your secondary progressions, Mimi has retrograded to an earlier position in Virgo, at approx. 6°, for the past year. There, it is opposed the progressed Mercury, thus bring into focus the thoughts, and both are square (90°) from Jupiter in Sagittarius, thus relating these thoughts (Mercury) brought upon by your friend Mimi (the asteroid’s position), to change (square) your spirituality/ philosophy (Sagittarius).There are off course many more details, but that would add up to such a long post LOL !
I think I’ll keep some for another time, and maybe talk about it over the phone if you agree, it’d be easier Altho, i will end with this : I beleive that you have both always been & also evolved personally, fitting your chart in each case
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Post by Wabbit on Jun 20, 2007 11:48:20 GMT
I do want to add a few things which I've forgot while editing the last post :
I find it marvelous to be in touch with friends who change our lives, help re-set or re-affirm our values, spirituality, inspire us & so on... it's great that you know one such a person, Maisie
As for hate, I think it's important to hate the actions & their result, but not the people, as they can evolve in time not to commit them anymore I know, easier said than done & felt...
As per "mr right", one might want to ascertain & define who is "right" & what one expects from knowing "mr or ms right", and subsequently sharing one's life with "mr or ms right". This process is interesting on itself & may shed a lot of light to one's true needs & what true values & qualities are required to fulfil "right".
I forgot to say a couple key words relating to the Virgo-Pisces axis : Virgo relates to analysis & thoughts, calculated if you will, whilst Pisces relates to spontaneity, thus, not calculated, and felt, thus not always thought.
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Post by maisiepaisie on Jun 21, 2007 9:36:34 GMT
YW Maisie Pre-arrangement involves a view of a programmed world ; as I mentioned, I think we do have parts we can change, thus making the programming evolve as we learn our lessons & life goals. So, through our actions, we modify the pre-arrangements to a different one… as in, when you turn on the highway, there are a certain number of possibilities, which will change each time you turn & take a different path… Thus, we are actively participating to our own destinies.
We do meet mr or ms “right” when we arrive to that point in time & space relating to our previous actions…the previous roads we took leading us to a variety of options, some of which we meet, some we do not, because we either recognise & cognitively refuse them, or that we don’t see them & thus “miss” that opportunity…until it presents itself again, after we turn to another road leading to it. Yes I would agree with that Yes living by the sea or near a beautiful woodland stream definately appeals to me. One day I will. Its interesting that there is an asteroid called Mimi, the same as my friend. The last time I visited a medium she mentioned Mimi. Apparantly a spirit had said to her 'ask about Mimi'. Its not like its a common name
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Post by Wabbit on Jun 21, 2007 9:45:27 GMT
YW Maisie Pre-arrangement involves a view of a programmed world ; as I mentioned, I think we do have parts we can change, thus making the programming evolve as we learn our lessons & life goals. So, through our actions, we modify the pre-arrangements to a different one… as in, when you turn on the highway, there are a certain number of possibilities, which will change each time you turn & take a different path… Thus, we are actively participating to our own destinies.
We do meet mr or ms “right” when we arrive to that point in time & space relating to our previous actions…the previous roads we took leading us to a variety of options, some of which we meet, some we do not, because we either recognise & cognitively refuse them, or that we don’t see them & thus “miss” that opportunity…until it presents itself again, after we turn to another road leading to it. Yes I would agree with that Yes living by the sea or near a beautiful woodland stream definately appeals to me. One day I will. Its interesting that there is an asteroid called Mimi, the same as my friend. The last time I visited a medium she mentioned Mimi. Apparantly a spirit had said to her 'ask about Mimi'. Its not like its a common name I'm about to go home & study your chart more (provided the huge thunderstorms announced don't hit as yet...)
As for the water, I didn't see any counter indication yet so me thinks it's a good project
It's amazing the medium heared from her spirit to ask you about Mimi ! It is indeed rather unique
When my wife was a small girl, she nicknamed her mom "mimi" & it stuck to the point that some of the family know her as such & not her real name, LOL... so, last night I looked in my wife's chart, and her asteroid Mimi was conjunct Mercury, perfectly to the second ! I never seen such an exact aspect in a birth chart !
There are 159000 or so asteroids discovered so far... not all have been named yet, but quite many did ! either after first names (relating to the astronomer teams who discovered, or relatives...), or after mythological figures (that's a huge basket since our history is full of gods, semi gods, deities, angels & so forth), or after people, from the movies, politics, musicians, painters... some are named after geographical places, so there's quite a bit to do there !
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Post by maisiepaisie on Jun 21, 2007 9:51:46 GMT
When my wife was a small girl, she nicknamed her mom "mimi" & it stuck to the point that some of the family know her as such & not her real name, LOL... Its the same with my friend Mimi. Her real name is Maria but everyone's called her Mimi since she was a little girl. What a coincidence
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Post by Wabbit on Jun 21, 2007 17:28:47 GMT
When my wife was a small girl, she nicknamed her mom "mimi" & it stuck to the point that some of the family know her as such & not her real name, LOL... Its the same with my friend Mimi. Her real name is Maria but everyone's called her Mimi since she was a little girl. What a coincidence quite ! that's amazing really, because her name has Marie in it that's so crazy LOL are you sure your friend isn't my mother in law ? ;D
and on to the asteroid Maria... in your chart, it is 24° Leo 44'22'' in the 9th house, conjunct its cusp (= the beginning of that house), and the south node.
2 stands for values, 4 for nurturing, the resulting 6 represents health, service & the other virgoan qualities. In relation to Leo (passion, hobbies, as previously stated).
4 stands for nurturing, so the minutes correspond to a double form of it. They add up to an 8, symbol of profound changes, infinity, after life & reincarnation, and other scorpionic key words. in the seconds, double form of 2, values, comfort, stead fast (Taurus qualities), adding up to the nurturing 4 & its relation to cancer qualities such as hospitality (which is also present in the 2), photography, memories, mothers, women, and so on.
The 9th house indicates that Maria's in your life will usually share philosophical topics, sport activities, expansions, travels, completion & other sagittarian key words.
This is emphasized through the conjunction of this asteroid to the cusp, and also the planets & asteroids present in Sagittarius in your chart (many of them elected their home over there, so it is a prominent sign for you).
The conjunction to the South node may indicate a past life relationship with your fried Maria. Both the south south node & Maria are trine (120 degrees) to Persephone in the 1st house in Sagittarius, I believe you may have been mother & daughter in a previous life and had been separated & that you now reunited.
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Post by maisiepaisie on Jun 22, 2007 0:18:18 GMT
The conjunction to the South node may indicate a past life relationship with your fried Maria. Both the south south node & Maria are trine (120 degrees) to Persephone in the 1st house in Sagittarius, I believe you may have been mother & daughter in a previous life and had been separated & that you now reunited. That does make sense as when we both went for a past life regression, I saw myself at a garden party. Mimi said that she also stopped at a garden party as she was sinking into hypnosis but she moved on as the hypnotist was telling her to walk further down the steps. I do believe we knew each other in that life but what makes you think we were mother and daughter and do you know which is which?
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Post by Wabbit on Jun 22, 2007 18:03:05 GMT
The conjunction to the South node may indicate a past life relationship with your fried Maria. Both the south south node & Maria are trine (120 degrees) to Persephone in the 1st house in Sagittarius, I believe you may have been mother & daughter in a previous life and had been separated & that you now reunited.
That does make sense as when we both went for a past life regression, I saw myself at a garden party. Mimi said that she also stopped at a garden party as she was sinking into hypnosis but she moved on as the hypnotist was telling her to walk further down the steps. I do believe we knew each other in that life but what makes you think we were mother and daughter and do you know which is which? Wowie that's quite something !
In Greek mythology, Persephone was Zeus' & Demeter's daughter. Before she became a goddess, she lived far from the other Olympian gods, until one day when she was picking flowers and Hades came & abducted her to his kingdom, the underworld.
In some versions, Demeter forbids the earth to produce, in others she is so busy looking for Persephone that she neglects the earth, and in some the depth of her despair causes nothing to grow.
There are variations on how Persephone & Demeter were reunited (read all about it on en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persephone ) but the point is that they were (except that Hades tricked her to eat seeds & for each one she ate, she had to return to the underworld, thus relating to the barren months of winter)
Astrologically, when the asteroids Demeter & Persephone are present between people, and depending on which is connected to what other planets, asteroids & personal points, they show that one acts or feels as the mother or daughter to the other. To ascertain it exactly, the birth charts for both people have to be studied.
However, from your own chart, Persephone is related to the asteroid Mimi, indicating that she may have been your mother. It's not as clear as studying the 2 charts off course, but a possibility is already indicated in your chart that some Mimi's in your life may act as mother's to you, the Persephone (daughter) figure. The south node's involvement is what makes me think your relation is a past life relation & not "just" this one.
If she accepted you to give me her birth details (in PM), I could study it more precisely & let you know in PM as well. In roman mythology, the names changed. Persephone became Proerpine/Proserpina, or Kore. the roman Demeter was Ceres (from which comes cereal, as her role was even greater as goddess of cereals) & Hades became Pluto.
The myths are similar in both mythologies. So, to have a global idea of what type of relationship, the corresponding atseroids have to be studies as well. (Proserpina & Ceres)
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