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Post by maisiepaisie on May 22, 2006 19:57:18 GMT
Does anyone else know much about ALF. Is it an organisation you would support? At the moment I support Animal Aid and am a member of the Vegan Society and thats about it. Interested to know what you all think. Hi Tabitha, nice to see you on here. The ALF gets a lot of bad press but the ALF credo forbids harming any sentient being. Any action that does so goes against the credo and is therefore not an ALF action. www.animalliberationfront.com/ALFront/alf_credo.htmThe Credo / Guidelines of The Animal Liberation Front
The Animal Liberation Front (ALF) carries out direct action against animal abuse in the form of rescuing animals and causing financial loss to animal exploiters, usually through the damage and destruction of property.
The ALF's short-term aim is to save as many animals as possible and directly disrupt the practice of animal abuse. Their long term aim is to end all animal suffering by forcing animal abuse companies out of business.
It is a nonviolent campaign, activists taking all precautions not to harm any animal (human or otherwise).
Because ALF actions may be against the law, activists work anonymously, either in small groups or individually, and do not have any centralized organization or coordination.
The Animal Liberation Front consists of small autonomous groups of people all over the world who carry out direct action according to the ALF guidelines. Any group of people who are vegetarians or vegans and who carry out actions according to ALF guidelines have the right to regard themselves as part of the ALF.
The ALF guidelines are:
1. TO liberate animals from places of abuse, i.e. laboratories, factory farms, fur farms, etc, and place them in good homes where they may live out their natural lives, free from suffering. 2. TO inflict economic damage to those who profit from the misery and exploitation of animals.
3. TO reveal the horror and atrocities committed against animals behind locked doors, by performing non-violent direct actions and liberations.
4. TO take all necessary precautions against harming any animal, human and non-human.
5. To analyze the ramifications of all proposed actions, and never apply generalizations when specific information is available. See Mission Statement.
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Post by tabitha on May 22, 2006 20:14:06 GMT
Thank you MaisiePaisie for that. Nice to see you here too x
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Post by horselesspaul on Jun 3, 2006 19:23:10 GMT
I did think they took the poor animals to a vet etc but the fear is if there was a highly contagious disease which could cross over and be carried by humans it could be the catalyst for an epidemic. I'm not saying the animals shouldn't be liberated I'm just saying I really hope the ALF are taking responsible cautions when doing so. If such a tragedy was to happen it would bring the Animal Rights Movement to it's knees. To be honest, no one would be able to get near any of the establishments researching the kinds of diseases you fear. Try not to worry. Unfortunately, most animal prisoners will never be released despite the ALF's best efforts. I only hope that an awareness of these vile acts of torture will one day be important enough to the average citizen for them to join together to end the suffering. As long as we get parents of terribly ill children being wheeled out in the media to advocate animal torture in the name of relieving human suffering, the level of awareness will be low. We must fight for the ban on primate experimentation. I will never vote for a Blair administration now he has U turned over this. W@nker.
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Post by vaiovegan on Jun 11, 2006 11:27:32 GMT
Horselesspaul hit the nail on the head. I was begining to worry about the line this topic was taking when I read through it.
Great post ;D
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Post by vaiovegan on Jun 11, 2006 11:38:25 GMT
Maisiepaisie posted a link to a site I would never recommend. You only have to read through the guest book and forum to see that it is run by people who glory in the lime light of the ALF and really it is nothing more than an ALF fan club web site that has no real connection to the ALF.
Best place to go is Bite Back site or No Compromise. Arkangle is a great site also but UK restrictions do limit freedom of speech so it will be watered down because of this but the facts will still stand.
This is a great site by the way.
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Post by maisiepaisie on Jun 11, 2006 12:09:35 GMT
Maisiepaisie posted a link to a site I would never recommend. You only have to read through the guest book and forum to see that it is run by people who glory in the lime light of the ALF and really it is nothing more than an ALF fan club web site that has no real connection to the ALF. I disagree. There's some very good info on that site. Anyone is allowed to post on the guest book and forum, its pretty much uncensored so the mods don't necessarily agree with whats been posted there. As the ALF has no leaders and membership is self appointed there can never be an official ALF site.
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Post by vaiovegan on Jun 11, 2006 12:43:03 GMT
Maisiepaisie posted a link to a site I would never recommend. You only have to read through the guest book and forum to see that it is run by people who glory in the lime light of the ALF and really it is nothing more than an ALF fan club web site that has no real connection to the ALF. I disagree. There's some very good info on that site. Anyone is allowed to post on the guest book and forum, its pretty much uncensored so the mods don't necessarily agree with whats been posted there. As the ALF has no leaders and membership is self appointed there can never be an official ALF site. The site administrators censor the guest book and reply to people as though they are they ALF. It is very misleading. They also have control over the people who post and have allowed a racist nazi to take part in the site even though they are aware of his political stance. As long as he posts in the open forum it is ok to talk nazi is the word of one of the moderators. He should have been banned. So you are wrong. Yes the web site does have some good info but many think the site is misleading.
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Post by maisiepaisie on Jun 11, 2006 13:52:15 GMT
They also have control over the people who post and have allowed a racist nazi to take part in the site even though they are aware of his political stance. As long as he posts in the open forum it is ok to talk nazi is the word of one of the moderators. He should have been banned. I saw some posts referring to some deleted posts in the forum so I assume these are what you are talking about. I don't know what was said as they have been deleted. As for the guest book, I only looked at it once ages ago so I can't really comment. Even if the forum and guest book are a load of c**p it still doesn't change the fact that the site itself is very informative. Have you checked out the FAQs? I've learned so much from that. BTW why do you think the site is misleading apart from the forum and guestbook?
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Post by vaiovegan on Jun 11, 2006 14:52:37 GMT
They also have control over the people who post and have allowed a racist nazi to take part in the site even though they are aware of his political stance. As long as he posts in the open forum it is ok to talk nazi is the word of one of the moderators. He should have been banned. I saw some posts referring to some deleted posts in the forum so I assume these are what you are talking about. I don't know what was said as they have been deleted. Since this is a tread about the ALF I will reply. Firstly I have seen the posts and a member of our group saved some of the pages pefore the post were deleted. The person openly admitted to the Uk moderator sarah123, when questioned about his signature, that he was racist and supported the group he advertised. Combat 18 is a vile neo nazi group, some members have been convicted of murder for the cause, that promote race hate and are anti gay. yes the moderators did prune alot of posts but didnt ban him because it was his freedom of speech and logic was mentioned. He was invited to take his nazi comments to the open part of the forum by the site owners Sarah resigned because of it yet they still show her as the admin for that part of the forum. I am not saying they are racists I just can't understand why they allow a racist to stay just because he claims to be an animal rights activist. It gives the movement a bad impression IMOA. The guest book and forum are part of the web site and so reflect on the site. You have to know why this site came about 15 or so years ago. A time when the internet was hardley heard of this site was registered. Over the years it has built up into what it is now. The info and news has been collected from around the world but still is presented by a small group and their views are reflected in the make up of the site. The FAQ page is the views of who? Who put it together? The whole site works around the mystery of the ALF and they play on this in a way they mislead people into thinking they are the ALF and what they say is comming from the ALF. Keep it real I say.
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Post by paul on Aug 1, 2006 11:16:30 GMT
the web sites alright.
they cant have any connection with the Alf as , the Alf are just ordinary people like you me and any tom, Donna and harry. who decide to take things in there own hand.
there have always been Nazis involved with animal rights, I'm not saying thats right, any one who knows me knows how i feel about Nazis/fascists,
there are better sites and sites that are a lot worse, people should get info from different places, web sites books etc, don't believe everything thats on or in them they all exaggerate,lie, about things.
no the Alf cant get every animal out of labs, circuses,etc. but lives can be saved while other things are being done, to end the suffering deaths of all animals.
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Post by koornzakuntel on Aug 1, 2006 13:27:27 GMT
lives can be saved while other things are being done, to end the suffering deaths of all animals. Koornzakuntel says: living things must die in order that the law is not disturbed. It is better that suffering continues than that we break the law. Write to your MPs if you must but remember not to make a nuisance of yourself or it will lose their support.
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Post by vaiovegan on Aug 16, 2006 19:50:51 GMT
the web sites alright. they cant have any connection with the Alf as , the Alf are just ordinary people like you me and any tom, Donna and harry. who decide to take things in there own hand. there have always been Nazis involved with animal rights, I'm not saying thats right, any one who knows me knows how i feel about Nazis/fascists, there are better sites and sites that are a lot worse, people should get info from different places, web sites books etc, don't believe everything thats on or in them they all exaggerate,lie, about things. no the Alf cant get every animal out of labs, circuses,etc. but lives can be saved while other things are being done, to end the suffering deaths of all animals.
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Post by maisiepaisie on Aug 16, 2006 20:25:16 GMT
Vaio lets not drag this old argument up again. We all have our own opinions on the ALF and that particular site. Lets just agree to disagree.
Koornzakuntel just f**k off you stupid troll. No one is interested in what you have to say.
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Post by vaiovegan on Aug 16, 2006 20:36:29 GMT
Vaio lets not drag this old argument up again. We all have our own opinions on the ALF and that particular site. Lets just agree to disagree. Koornzakuntel just f**k off you stupid troll. No one is interested in what you have to say. It wasn't the site but since you mentioned it I think that people should be aware that they are not what they seem. They are not the ALF nor do they speak for the ALF.
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Post by fezzarooooo on Aug 16, 2006 20:42:41 GMT
Don't make me get the big slapping glove out you guys, I'm not in the mood to referee squabbles which should be kept to PM.
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Post by vaiovegan on Aug 16, 2006 20:48:46 GMT
Don't make me get the big slapping glove out you guys, I'm not in the mood to referee squabbles which should be kept to PM. Not an argument shes on my people I like list
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Post by fezzarooooo on Aug 16, 2006 20:57:05 GMT
*puts big slapping glove back in drawer*
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Post by maisiepaisie on Aug 16, 2006 21:11:45 GMT
Koornzakuntel just f**k off you stupid troll. No one is interested in what you have to say. Why am I so slow sometimes, sorry for blowing a gasket back there Don't make me get the big slapping glove out you guys, I'm not in the mood to referee squabbles which should be kept to PM. Not an argument shes on my people I like list Aww I like you too Vaiovegan
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Post by vaiovegan on Aug 16, 2006 21:29:22 GMT
*puts big slapping glove back in drawer* You can get it back out if it's rubber
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Post by fezzarooooo on Aug 16, 2006 21:34:56 GMT
*frantically tries to untangle big rubber slapping glove from pleather catsuit... scratches knuckles on nail collar*
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