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Post by Wabbit on Mar 20, 2006 20:10:46 GMT
LOL too funny Tigs... but so true LOL... all heil the slightly mad... if you're too ordinary, you might get bored here... LOL
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Post by alisont on Mar 20, 2006 22:32:30 GMT
Hi The York Test was a blood test for food intollerances - Im fine now as long as I avoid cashews and dont eat many bananas! theres no danger of me eating dairy or egg now When I talk to pubs/cafes its just in a friendly way to ask if they have any vegan food available, if im eating out i find ringing up and giving a list of things i can/cant eat helps, also to explain what a vegan is as lots of places dont know - I often get asked for some recipes or menu ideas by the chefs. Im not expecting to make big changes but i like to get people thinking! My cruise was really good - it only cost £10 plus flights as it was a free offer thru a paper. On board there were good options - masses of exciting fruits/salads/veggies, I took pates/seeds/nuts/soya yoghurts in my case and got soya milk in Venice where I joined the ship. It was an Italian ship so lots of pasta - thankfully dried pasta too so had that most evenings with sauce and veggies, In Greece i got tins of beans that the chefs cooked for me - they stuffed peppers with them! Pud was sorbet and fruit. In Croatia cafes sold beans and salads. It was hard in Venice trying to order pizza without cheese - got very strange looks! I must of been the only one to lose weight on a cruise as i ate tons of fruit and went in the gym. My IBS has 95% gone - only bad if i eat too many onion dishes or too much wheat in a day The meal on Sat was great - bringing together several local vegans - a great eve of vegan chat and food ;D Im so much happier as a vegan than i was as a veggie ;D Alison
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Post by Wabbit on Mar 22, 2006 16:46:51 GMT
Hi Alison,
I’m glad to hear you’re ok now. 95% gone is impressive ! AH no cashews, banans, little onion & wheat... but still there are tons of foods you can eat yay ! go vegan power !
I love cashews & bananas, hope you don’t miss them too much. LOL off course good to be away from dairy & eggs & all that, espically when you see what’s going on with these bad foods...
Ah I see about the pubs & the like. Good idea indeed. Here, you’d be disgusted as I am... people don’t tend to be veg in my region... & indeed, most don’t even know the words... I keep answering the frozen food company when they call & try to get me as a new client... goes like this : “ No Ty am vegan” “oh so you can eat fish can’t you ? “ “no, fish is an animal just like the cow & the birds” oh so you can eat cheese right ? you could order pizza, no ?” “no, lady, vegan doesn’t eat any of these”
They NEVER get it as they keep calling.. the same 2 companies, over & over.. just like yesterday AGAIN Hope I make them think sometimes... hey maybe they do & the ladies keep quiting after what I say & they hire new ones ? LOL am I only dreaming.... close your eyes... LOL... I should put that in the guess the song section
10 £ !!!! that’s cheaaaappppppp ... wait a sec... plus flights ? so how much more or less ? I mean what was the free part if you had to pay for the flights LOL that’s not really free when you gotta pay...
Oh great that you fond vegan foods like that ! Yea Itlaians don’t come veg* often lol... they love cheese like French do.. unless French do more so ? LOL ...after all there’s a saying that there are as many cheeses as days in the year... it’ ain’t funny when you know the dairy industry...
Ah ah cruise as a diet hehe Sat vegan meal sounds awsome & meeting other vegans to share with yay
I totally can relate to your happiness as a vegan, I share it too as I’v also went from veggie ot vegan. Whooo hooooo go vegan power ! (never said enough hehe)
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Post by alisont on Mar 22, 2006 20:34:35 GMT
Vegan power - yes its a cool thing! The cruise was £10 (brochure price for single cabin £1400) the flights were £50 so £60 for a holiday to those wonderful places (Venice, Bari, Corfu, Athens, Santorinni and Dubrovnik) was the best bargin ever ;D all meals included and water/coffee. Id struggle if in Venice longer - hard to avoid cheese. Ive been to France before - as a veggie but hard to find food as a veggie - I seemed to eat bread and cheese a lot. Would take supplies if i went again and my vegan passport! Have just been out for a balti (type of curry) after work - had a mixed vege one with chick peas in and rice, had to explain i needed it cooked in oil not ghee. I eat a much better range of foods now as a vegan, than i did whilst veggie Alison
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Post by Wabbit on Mar 23, 2006 8:48:55 GMT
"Vegan power - yes its a cool thing!"
oh yes it is whoo hoo go vegan... yep I know, am hyper... LOL
"The cruise was £10 (brochure price for single cabin £1400) "
Oh I see, 10 instead of 1400 woow that’s amazinnnng can you get me such a deal plz ty LOL
"the flights were £50 so £60 for a holiday to those wonderful places (Venice, Bari, Corfu, Athens, Santorinni and Dubrovnik) was the best bargin ever all meals included and water/coffee"
Just that ! 60 for the flights, cruises AND meals mama mia !
"Id struggle if in Venice longer - hard to avoid cheese. Ive been to France before - as a veggie but hard to find food as a veggie - I seemed to eat bread and cheese a lot. Would take supplies if i went again and my vegan passport! "
It’s getting easier now. More choices than before but it’s better to stick organic stores most of the time as others may contain E something & many of them are eigher animal based or cancerigenic.. or others that have dairy, eggs, even worse in them... a couple days ago my wife & I went to shop & there was a fruit juice with INSULIN in it... YACKI DAKI DA !
"Have just been out for a balti (type of curry) after work - had a mixed vege one with chick peas in and rice, had to explain i needed it cooked in oil not ghee"
Yes ghee the “purified butter”.. doesn’t purify it that much since it’s dairy as we all know. But this balti sounds delicious, might want to try it soon.
" eat a much better range of foods now as a vegan, than i did whilst veggie"
Which contradicts so many people that think veg*s have fewer possiblities & choices... the most frequent “reasons” I hear from those that don’t want to change is “oh you can’t eat anything, what you eat doesn’t have any taste in it”... stuff like that... But no, it’s not that we can’t, it’s that we choose not to eat certain things, not that we can’t ! we all can eat animals, but we, vegs, chose not to... so many people think it’s due to helath conditions ONLY... when it’s not. Altho, some can’t eat it due to their health, off course.
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Post by Fauxmage on Mar 23, 2006 8:57:47 GMT
That's what bothers me about what omnis think of eating animal "foods". They think if they eat different dead animals at every meal they are eating a varied diet. Dead flesh is all the same! There is a lot more difference between brown rice and corn, or tomatoes and cucumbers, or bananas and oranges, than there is between dead cow and dead pig, or cottage cheese and sour cream.
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Post by tabitha on Mar 24, 2006 10:47:42 GMT
There is a guy on another forum I go on who refers to meat eaters as "corpse eaters". When I first joined I thought that was a really extreme way of putting it, but now I know hes right
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Post by Wabbit on Mar 24, 2006 16:08:20 GMT
Hi fauxmage,
To the passionate vegan (the ones not eating animals for the animals, not for health reasons alone), eating an animal isn’t food, I totally agree with you. In the same way, people tend to hear what they want... Today, I went to get my arch supports. During the test a week weeks ago, she didn’t hear me say that am vegan & don’t wear any leather. Today, I had to repeat to her that am vegan & do’nt wear leather & I had the bad surprise to hear her say it is leather & the european laws force her to make it from leather !!! So I called another podiatrist & asked if their materials were leather or not & they don’t use leather for theirs... (it’s a matter of what liscence the doc gets). So I got an appointment with that doc next week & the following one I’ll get non leather supports. PHEW what a relief !
It’s not just about food... most people don’t know what vegan entails... “but you’re not eating the shoes, you’re wearing it!”
Omnis tend ot be slow brained like that. Not all of them coz obviously, some change. But the slow ones will hear what they can grasp & not all that you tell them.
I agree with you, there is a difference between each fruit & veetable ! And we do have more choices than omnis. But they think otherwise as they are bread in this way. Animals are bread to be killed & the humans are bread to think it’s alright.. so sad !
Tabitha,
It is sad but that person is right indeed. Most people don’t see the animal was alive & had been killed. To them, it’s all natural... ‘the bible says it’s ok, humans are superior” are just excuses to feel better.. it doesn’t work, as to my opinion, many illnesses are caused through this guilt felings. A dead animal is a corpse & it’s not an animal that was already dead, like some tend ot think is ok... it’s not ok, why would it be ? I could use really cruse imagery here but I’ll abstain & maybe keep that for the veg wannabees...
Between us, we don’t need to convince so we just exchange our views.
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Post by alisont on Mar 25, 2006 9:12:41 GMT
The only thing i struggled to give up when going vegan was cheese - which was my main animal product I ate as veggie, and was intollerant too - but the body craves foods your intollerant to. I just cut it out and the withdrawal from cheese took 2 weeks - awful headaches and mood swings!!! Dont miss it now, but a decent soya alternative is needed in my view! I once got a craving for it but just pictured a cow in a crate or a calf being dragged away from its mum - works wonders! It was interesting in cookery class i was supporting the other week (was not happy but kept my distance and wore gloves!) students were cooking chicken kiev so had to place raw chicken in egg milk and breadcrumbs - they all went yuck at the raw chicken and having to touch it! one refused, yet ate the cooked kiev, one refused to eat it. And there were several comments of can see why you wont eat it! Everyone is always interested to see what im eating at lunch - am getting use to everyone peering over my shoulder now Alison Alison
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Post by bobbywomble on Mar 27, 2006 20:32:08 GMT
i get the same thing at work all the kfc and mackie ds munchers peering over my shoulder looking at my food then taking the micky one was really ribbing me whilst tucking in to a kfc so to shut him up i said "if you found someones finger in the by mistake all cooked and everything, would you eat it?"
he said " no of cause not"
so i said " well that is someones finger "
the guy went a funny colour and thought twice about taking the micky out of me the next day
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Post by aliswonderland on Apr 14, 2006 13:49:02 GMT
I've never really liked the taste of meat- refused to eat lamb, didn't like beef and there was nothing special about chicken or turkey, just something to eat really.. anyway, i went veggie a couple of years ago for about six months, but in hindsight that was just part of an ed, so we forget that. It was only about a month ago that i started requestioning the ethics behind meat, dairy and eggs, as i thought it wierd how my 'rents would make a point of buying free range eggs, then buy whatever chicken was cheapest, their justification being that you get more meat from the normal chicken than from free range..hmm.. Watching a food programme that compared a non-organic to an organic meat farm, i couldn't see too much difference, so decided to go veggie (i had already been meat-reducing), but then started thinking about milk- specifically how wrong it is to take this from the cow, especially after artificial insemination, and how many people still seem to cling to the belief that dairy cows lead a nice happy life in a pretty field, eating buttercups etc.... Then i decided to go vegan, though it is a chore, reading all those labels.. grrr... ah well, c'est la vie
Ali
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Post by chenli on Apr 19, 2006 18:01:56 GMT
Not as interesting as many others, but it's worth a shot.
Basically, when I was younger (not quite sure at what age, though) I had tried several times to give up meat and become vegetarian. I don't think it was because I knew actually what went on in the meat industry, more a gut feeling down inside me that told me "meat was wrong". Nether the less, I only lasted a couple days, then ended up giving up due to the lack of self-control and willpower I had back then. Not to mention I had a big love of the chicken and mushroom pies by Pukka Pie. Same thing happened each time I tried. Just was too young, I guess, to have the willpower to do so. I'd also thought several times about going vegan, and whether I would go vegan after becoming vegetarian.
Anyways, eventually, I vaguely remember, when I was 13 that I decided to give it another go. Luckily, I didn't falter, of course I missed those pukka pies, but at the end of the day, I did it for the animals, not my belly. I was, of course, naive to the actual goings on of the milk and egg industry (par battery hens, which was well known). I thought nothing of it, granted, again I would still think about becoming vegan time and time again, yet never put much thought into it.
Turning vegan: Well, a couple months before my GCSE exams were to start (Spring/Summer 2005) I saw the "Meet your meat", "Kentucky Fried Cruelty", and the dairy farming videos on PETA. I also watched the fur industry one at the same time. And yes, I balled my eyes out (ugh, makes me want to cry just thinking about them). That was when I finally thought, enough was enough. I was going full Vegan. Those videos, basically pushed me over the edge. My friends weren't too happy about it, they thought it was unhealthy and stupid, what with my GCSE's coming up. They weren't all that happy about my being vegetarian either. I didn't care, it was my choice, and what I'd seen had sickened me. Lot's of people say "it only happens in America, other countries, etc." since I live in the UK. Chances are it does happen here, and I know full well calves ARE taken away from their mothers here, if they are willing to do it at the farm at a college that has animal management courses/welfare courses, then they'll do it anywhere else. Plus those milking machines definately do not look comfortable.
Either way, where it happens is not the point. Animals were not put on this planet for us. They are not ours to exploit as we wish, torture as we wish, kill as we wish. They share this planet with us. Not for us.
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Post by Tiggerwoos on Aug 1, 2006 11:29:26 GMT
Just thought it would be a good idea to dig up this old thread from about 4 months ago for all the newer members of the forum to tell their vegan story.
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Post by lilachamster on Aug 10, 2006 19:32:28 GMT
I started becoming more aware of the way animals are abused when I was in the 6th form at school and there was dissection. Even though I was not taking the class, I heard about it and was appalled that some of my friends who were in that class just went along with it, and not one refused. When I complained about dissection being done at the school I was told by some of them that I was a hypocrite for eating meat. I realised this was true and went vegetarian, started finding out more, joined several groups including the BUAV and heard about vegans (I had never heard of vegans until I was already vegetarian!). I went vegan just less than three years after going vegetarian, it was a slow process but I've been vegan 20 years now and it was the best decision I ever made in my life, and one of the few things I stuck with and am proud of sticking with, but it's easy really anyway nowadays!
None of my family went veggie or vegan but I am married to another vegan with 3 children brought up vegan.
Lesley
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Post by veganbikerboy on Aug 10, 2006 20:19:28 GMT
as a kid i was always interested in animals / wildlife and always appreciated it. I used to draw alot and the subject matter was either architecture or wildlife.
My teenage years were spent with little regard for anything other than music and alcohol.
at about the age of 20/21 i wanted to change things about my life, which i did. several things happened within a short space of time which made me reconsider myself as a meat eater.
I had become heavily involved in environmental consultancy work, which made me question lots of things we do as a human race.
I met the protesters at a demo at a beagle farm in Herefordshire.
I witnessed first hand battery farms that were sounding fire alarms because they were too hot for humans to enter, nobody else seemed bothered there were between 10 and 20 thousand chickens in there.
I began dating a vegan girl.
all of the above made me realise that as human beings we take life and resource for granted. We only use animal products through greed and vanity without any consideration of the impact on the environment we live.
I was halfway through eating a bacon, egg and sausage sandwich about 250m from the chicken shed i mentioned. And decided i didn't want to support human ignorance anymore.
I threw the sandwich away, that was summer 1998, i have not knowingly bought or consumed any animal products or products tested on animals since.
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Post by Juice on Aug 21, 2006 3:17:22 GMT
The vegan seeds were planted in Nov/Dec of 2004. I was trying to clean up my diet at the time. Often I’d sit down and eat an entire box of popsicles, or several boxes of fruit snacks, fruit rollups, whatever. I met a girl who worked in the café downstairs from our office and took her to lunch a few times. She was a raw food vegan, neither of which I’d heard of before. I was intrigued, and she told me all about how a vegan diet would benefit the triathlon training I was doing at the time. She never talked about the animals, only about the health benefits.
On January 16, 2005, I was talking to my mom on the phone and she mentioned that she heard somewhere that there’s pus in cow milk. That thought totally grossed me out, so that evening I went online and googled “pus in milk”. I quickly found that was true, but that was the least of the disturbing things I found out. I found the videos and accounts of what really goes on in factory farming and the dairy industries. I felt the weight of the world in guilt for being blind to that all those years, but knew I would never contribute to the suffering of animals again. Something clicked in my mind, and I had a totally different perspective and awareness. I instantly lost all desire and cravings for anything omni. Becoming vegan is the best decision I’ve ever made. Also the easiest one, after all I’ve learned.
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