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Post by veggiesosage on Jul 18, 2006 20:14:15 GMT
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Post by fezzarooooo on Jul 18, 2006 20:31:49 GMT
Hmmmm on first impression I can see where people could find it funny but realistically I think that it is demeaning to the victims of abuse... ok those who've come to terms with their abuse may be able to make light of the ad but those who haven't may be really humiliated & hurt by it and it's sad that a society would think that that's ok.
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Post by veggiesosage on Jul 18, 2006 20:40:25 GMT
I think thats pretty much what I thought Feral. But it was apparently a real campaign in NZ. Life is obviously a bit simpler over there.
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Post by fezzarooooo on Jul 18, 2006 20:42:43 GMT
Tbh the attitude of some of the commenter's sickened me more than the ad... seeing it as shocking but effective is one thing but thinking it's hilarious & that anyone offened by it needs to get a life is another.
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Post by veggiesosage on Jul 18, 2006 20:45:31 GMT
I have to admit I didn't read the comments.
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Post by fezzarooooo on Jul 18, 2006 20:50:29 GMT
Prob best not to petal, unless you want to start swearing at your computer.
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Post by rubyred on Jul 18, 2006 21:30:21 GMT
FUCC!!! Now look what u done- You made me read the comments!
Well I kinda thought at least it was attention grabbing & hopefully made people think about the issue. But that hope went down the drain......
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Post by lavender on Jul 19, 2006 8:59:39 GMT
As much as I support spay/neuter programmes , I agree with whats been said already - wtf were they thinking? they obviously werent thinking at all!
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Post by maisiepaisie on Jul 19, 2006 19:34:49 GMT
They probably shouldn't have done it. A lot of people (not me) are easily offended but if it does get the message across its a good thing I say.
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Post by fezzarooooo on Jul 19, 2006 19:40:33 GMT
They probably shouldn't have done it. A lot of people (not me) are easily offended but if it does get the message across its a good thing I say. It's not about being 'easily offended' it's about the victims of paedophilia being mocked to create a 'witty & attention grabbing' ad campaign. How would a 12 year old abuse victim feel seeing the public's acceptance of such a campaign? I certainally wouldn't class abuse victims as 'easily offended' if they have a problem with people using their suffering to fuel a funny ad campaign.
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Post by maisiepaisie on Jul 19, 2006 20:04:32 GMT
It's not about being 'easily offended' it's about the victims of paedophilia being mocked to create a 'witty & attention grabbing' ad campaign. How would a 12 year old abuse victim feel seeing the public's acceptance of such a campaign? Having never been in that position I can't answer that question but if you look at some of the PETA campaigns a lot of people find them offensive but they work. People don't seem to be getting the message about spay and neuter. I spoke to a woman in the vets recently with an unneutered male cat. She was planning to get him neutered to stop him wandering for days on end, not because he could possibly cause more unwanted animals to be brought into the world. Seems she just didn't care, the kittens would be someone elses problem anyway My point is that something needs to be done to highlight this problem and sometimes shock tactics are what is need. It got us talking and I daresay a lot of others too, who maybe hadn't given it any thought before.
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Post by fezzarooooo on Jul 19, 2006 20:17:44 GMT
So the end justifies the means no matter what human suffering it causes?
Just be glad you or your children have never been in that position, had you, you may see things differently.
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Post by maisiepaisie on Jul 19, 2006 20:58:55 GMT
Well seeing as I don't feel human suffering is worse than animal suffering, and the fact that only a small percentage of people have been in that position, I have to say yes I do. Also I feel that any mental anguish caused to a small minority by this campaign is going to be short lived. Every time I pick up a paper theres some story about sex offenders anyway. Theres no getting away from it.
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Post by fezzarooooo on Jul 19, 2006 21:11:49 GMT
But that doesn't give advertising firms the right to abuse it. Believe me maisie it's a lot more than a small percentage and not getting away from it is entirely different from having your nose rubbed in the fact that a certain section of society doesn't care about your or your childs suffering.
There are so many 'intelligent' ways this campaign could have been just as noticeable without lowering itself to such an offensive standard. Tbh seeing this just makes me feel that whoever thought it up is idiotic if they couldn't find something effective without taking the p*ss out of children's suffering.
I feel that my veganism includes compassion for all animals, both human and non human and I refuse to hurt one for the sake of another... I just don't see it as being compassionate or vegan... who here would accept people making fun of animal suffering to draw attention to a campaign for the sake of humans?
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Post by veggiesosage on Jul 19, 2006 21:17:27 GMT
I should comment that I don't think the campaign is satirizing children's suffering, more satirizing those 'shop a paedo' US style campaigns that are of dubious worth at best.
That probably doesn't make it any more sensible, bearing in mind the sensitivity of the subject though.
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Post by fezzarooooo on Jul 19, 2006 21:20:47 GMT
I understand what you mean veggie, but unfortunately it's a double edged sword... if I had a child and had watched them go through the horror of abuse I'd be going ballistic at this advertising tbh.
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Post by maisiepaisie on Jul 19, 2006 21:32:51 GMT
Oh I dunno. I can see your point Feral but its just not something I feel strongly about one way or the other. I'm still not so sure it would actually cause that much anguish even to those who'd suffered but as I've never been there I can't say for sure. I guess if enought people complain then the campaign will be scrapped anyway but sorry, I am actually one of those people who cares more about animals than people. Thats just the way I am I'm afraid.
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Post by fezzarooooo on Jul 19, 2006 21:34:47 GMT
woah..easy tiger bit of a large sledgehammer to crack a small nut I don't see this issue as small & don't see any point in fluffing up my opinion to people who aren't easily offended... I'm sure maisie knew I was just being direct. Fair doos maisie, you're entitled to your opinion just as much as I'm entitled to mine
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Post by blueshark on Jul 19, 2006 21:36:31 GMT
Yes. It took hundreds of years for the judicial system to evolve and it is still far from ideal.
Knowledge is true power, discover the facts yourself and then decide. This is the basis of any legal system.
I think slander or libel is wrong and ruins lives.
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Post by Pob on Jul 19, 2006 21:36:43 GMT
There is a whole other argument there, too. Should we de-sex cats or just sterilise them? That campaign is for de-sexing. Does that not infringe a cat's rights? Their behaviour is altered, they lose their sex drive, etc. By drawing parallels with child abuse it is inviting a comparison saying all men should be de-sexed in case they would later go on to abuse kids
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